tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8301093450915806490.post7620563008136535246..comments2023-07-01T04:59:49.987-07:00Comments on Dr Jorge's blog: Territorial disputes: the Israel-Palestine difference (Part 11) [Post 51] Dr Jorge Emilio Núñezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10092598013865165615noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8301093450915806490.post-56466689455198713842018-05-08T04:40:25.678-07:002018-05-08T04:40:25.678-07:00Thanks for this Jeff. I'll make that clear wit...Thanks for this Jeff. I'll make that clear with my next post. For one thing is what EACH individual (or political party for the same purpose wants) and what each claiming party as a whole (Israel and Palestine) want.<br />Your first point about de jure/de facto sovereignty. I refer to the complexity a concept such as "sovereignty" offers earlier on this series. It is a concept that has been used by many sciences (and people at large) assuming the same meaning when there are actually many conceptions that do not necessarily bring the same implications.<br />Bets regards.Dr Jorge Emilio Núñezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10092598013865165615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8301093450915806490.post-7875243022896750962018-05-07T04:11:35.585-07:002018-05-07T04:11:35.585-07:00Hi Jorge glad to see you are taking this on. The ...Hi Jorge glad to see you are taking this on. The argument isn't over just the disputed territories. Palestinians have not waived claim to Israel proper. Many Palestinians still regard the Jewish presence anywhere in the territory as illegitimate (agreeing with Iran's position). Similarly almost universally Palestinians believe in a right of return to Israel proper. <br /><br />There are areas in the disputed territories where Israel has both de-facto and de-jure claim: extended Jerusalem and Golan (though here the dispute is more with Syria than Palestinians). In Area-C Israel doesn't offer autonomy and many of the parties openly talk about annexation. This is clearly de-facto claim. As of last year the educational system is now set to fully merge and the green line as a matter of policy no longer exists. So I think you have to say there is a de jure claim. <br /><br />The 1949 armistice line has little legitimacy as a permanent border with either population. So unfortunately I think your assumptions are off. The UN likes the line, the people on the ground on both sides not so much. A line which the some Israelis might accept which is similar i the line of the separation barrier. <br /><br />Also I'm not sure you can really talk about Israelis vs. Palestinians. The Israeli parties all have different positions quite openly stated as do the Palestinian parties and honestly for larger parties factions within parties matter. For example Netanyahu likes the current setup with ambiguous claims while his Deputy Foreign Minister (same party) openly declares Israel sovereignty over all the territory. JeffBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00634389082564121435noreply@blogger.com